[Alpine-info] Alpine display problem

[Benjamin R. Haskell]

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:


> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Mike Miller wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote:

>> 

>>> I think you're seeing more problems than there are. The only time I 

>>> see auto-zoom being unintuitive is in the specific case that the 

>>> original poster presented: when all messages are selected, and you 

>>> unselect an individual message with ':', it auto-zooms. There's no 

>>> other time that using ':' causes auto-zoom. So, it's not a matter of 

>>> choosing ';' vs ':'. It's a matter of ':' behaving consistently 

>>> (modulo technical issues with zooming).

>>> 

>>> Maybe you don't use ';' very often, but I find that any time I'm 

>>> searching for messages, it's desirable to zoom in on those messages, 

>>> rather than keep them spread across multiple screens. Do you find that 

>>> behavior unintuitive or confusing (honest question)? I'm sure it's a 

>>> preference for a reason, but I would think the majority of users want 

>>> that. (hence, it's the default)

>> 

>> 

>> I agree with this.  If a new user does a search in a big index and four 

>> messages are selected and Alpine doesn't auto-zoom, how will the user 

>> find the selected messages?  I think that would be much more confusing 

>> than having default auto-zoom.

>

> I'm confused. How does "auto-zoom" trigger?

>

> My big argument was about the : auto-zooming because the behavior has 

> changed since pine and hitting ":" on autorepeat makes the last messages 

> mysteriously disappear.

>

> I suppose I should read the docs, but they're kind of spare and I doubt 

> that they'd have helped me much.


I think auto-zoom triggers on all(?) selections that use ';' for 
selecting, whether it's the initial selection or a refinement (narrow or 
broaden).

e.g. ';' 'n' 100-200<CR> to select 100-200 by number

or (with messages already selected, but not in zoomed mode):
';' 'n' 'n' 110-120<CR> to 'n'arrow the selection by 'n'umber

And, as far as I'm aware, the topic of this conversation (unselect by ':' 
triggers zoom when all messages are selected) is the only time 
':'-selection auto-zooms.

Best,
Ben