[Alpine-info] Alpine display problem
Benjamin R. Haskell
alpine at benizi.com
Fri Jun 20 08:28:32 PDT 2008
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Mike Miller wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote:
>>> I think you're seeing more problems than there are. The only time I
>>> see auto-zoom being unintuitive is in the specific case that the
>>> original poster presented: when all messages are selected, and you
>>> unselect an individual message with ':', it auto-zooms. There's no
>>> other time that using ':' causes auto-zoom. So, it's not a matter of
>>> choosing ';' vs ':'. It's a matter of ':' behaving consistently
>>> (modulo technical issues with zooming).
>>> Maybe you don't use ';' very often, but I find that any time I'm
>>> searching for messages, it's desirable to zoom in on those messages,
>>> rather than keep them spread across multiple screens. Do you find that
>>> behavior unintuitive or confusing (honest question)? I'm sure it's a
>>> preference for a reason, but I would think the majority of users want
>>> that. (hence, it's the default)
>> I agree with this. If a new user does a search in a big index and four
>> messages are selected and Alpine doesn't auto-zoom, how will the user
>> find the selected messages? I think that would be much more confusing
>> than having default auto-zoom.
> I'm confused. How does "auto-zoom" trigger?
> My big argument was about the : auto-zooming because the behavior has
> changed since pine and hitting ":" on autorepeat makes the last messages
> mysteriously disappear.
> I suppose I should read the docs, but they're kind of spare and I doubt
> that they'd have helped me much.
I think auto-zoom triggers on all(?) selections that use ';' for
selecting, whether it's the initial selection or a refinement (narrow or
e.g. ';' 'n' 100-200<CR> to select 100-200 by number
or (with messages already selected, but not in zoomed mode):
';' 'n' 'n' 110-120<CR> to 'n'arrow the selection by 'n'umber
And, as far as I'm aware, the topic of this conversation (unselect by ':'
triggers zoom when all messages are selected) is the only time
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