RH8.0 (was Re: bluecurve)

['The Buddha' Doug McLean]

I remember once using Gnome 2.x, and at first, I was amazed by all the
pretty buttons, but after a short while, it got old, and SLOWWWW.  I am
still using a 233MHz computer (albeit with decent RAM), and the delays in
starting up Gnome got old.  Combining KDE and Gnome just sounds like a
disaster waiting to happen since both are pretty bloated WMs.

A great article by the loveable Marcel Gagne of Linux Journal a few months
back convinced me of the virtues of IceWM.  Its got a good feel (even for
Windows users who like to do "alt-tab" alot), but is very very efficient.
But there's some virtue in FVWM2 as well.  It was a my first WM, and still
has a place in my heart.  :)

Doug McLean
Department of Microbiology
http://faculty.washington.edu/dougmc
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Meanwhile, in Gotham, M. Hornung wrote:

> Now you've made me want to chime in with my vitriolic gripes.  I've
> installed a couple RH8 boxes.  I always do the network install when
> possible.  It might just be my warped sensibilities, but it looks like
> RedHat is trying to look and feel as much like MS Windows as possible.  I
> don't like that.  Personally I prefer a simple and fast UI, if I need one
> at all.  It looks like RH is moving from simple & fast to bloated and
> Windows-like.  Maybe the blame should go on KDE and Gnome, but RH has
> chosen to use whatever it is they're using.
>
> Since when do you need X to run a server?  Oh, but there are pretty clicky
> clicky buttons.  Prettyyyy.  As far as the desktop install goes, bloat is
> evil, and that looks to be the direction they're moving.  Don't give me
> any of that "well processors are faster now and RAM is cheap so bloat is
> ok" because I won't be having any of it.
>
> My biggest gripe - cutting and pasting.  I do not want a menu or any
> hotkeys just to copy something to the clipboard.  If I hilight it, put it
> there for me!  If I click the right damn mouse button on a window, paste
> the text there!  No more than one click per copy/paste operation please!
>
> Thank goodness RH is just as cusomizable as ever (since it's still Linux,
> after all) because the default installs are ghetto.  fnord
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> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 at 12:10, Cliff wrote:
>
> |After using Slackware since 1996, I just installed RH8.0 yesterday on a
> |new hard drive.  I've admined Rehat boxes for years so I'm comfortable
> |with the switch.
> |
> |Two things annoyed me (actually three but...).  First, Redhat did not
> |recognize and load the modules for my SoundBlaster16 ISA PnP card?!!?  I
> |was quite shocked and thought I had an IRQ conflict for a while until I
> |just manually loaded the "sb" module and all was well.
> |
> |First off, I couldn't boot off the first CD...I have before on this
> |computer so I don't know what the problem was there.
> |
> |Second, it turns out that the sound card "detection" thingy installed in
> |stock RH8 only detects PCI sound cards and you have to load up the
> |"sndconfig" rpm if you don't want to manually hack modules.conf.
> |
> |That was my biggest gripe. The broken xmms and lack of Mplayer were my
> |other complaints.
> |
> |Otherwise, having used the system for all of half a day, I'm all right.
> | It is very pretty and cleanly organized.  I can see that modifying the
> |GNOME Menu isn't going to be simple :(
> |
> |Cliff
> |
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