RH8.0 (was Re: bluecurve)
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Mon Jan 6 23:41:18 PST 2003
I know this isn't exactly what you mean, but in RH8: RedHat menu,
Extras, System Settings, Desktop Switching Tool lets you instantly jump
to TWM with an out-of-the-box install, permanently or otherwise. I had
a bad experience with the Desktop Switching Tool in RH7.3, so I'm not
going to try it, but I presume it works as expected. I assume they
include this feature for low-bandwidth situations...?
And what's this about *nix-y cut-and-paste missing? Works fine for me.
Left drag select, middle paste, out-of-the-box and configurable.
Not that I'd dare convert anybody, just sayin'.
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 13:07, M. Hornung wrote:
> I've been hooked on fvwm2 for...a long time. I honestly don't think a
> productive desktop can get any better (or much faster) than this (for me).
> To all RedHat employees on this list: we like fvwm2! Bring it back. Save
> us from insanity. Help us get work done. Please.
> -=<(| mike at boobaz.net |)>=- http://www.boobaz.net/key.html
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> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 at 12:51, 'The Buddha' Doug McLean wrote:
> |I remember once using Gnome 2.x, and at first, I was amazed by all the
> |pretty buttons, but after a short while, it got old, and SLOWWWW. I am
> |still using a 233MHz computer (albeit with decent RAM), and the delays in
> |starting up Gnome got old. Combining KDE and Gnome just sounds like a
> |disaster waiting to happen since both are pretty bloated WMs.
> |A great article by the loveable Marcel Gagne of Linux Journal a few months
> |back convinced me of the virtues of IceWM. Its got a good feel (even for
> |Windows users who like to do "alt-tab" alot), but is very very efficient.
> |But there's some virtue in FVWM2 as well. It was a my first WM, and still
> |has a place in my heart. :)
> |Doug McLean
> |Department of Microbiology
> |PGP Public Key ID# 0xF96E92D8
> |Meanwhile, in Gotham, M. Hornung wrote:
> |> Now you've made me want to chime in with my vitriolic gripes. I've
> |> installed a couple RH8 boxes. I always do the network install when
> |> possible. It might just be my warped sensibilities, but it looks like
> |> RedHat is trying to look and feel as much like MS Windows as possible. I
> |> don't like that. Personally I prefer a simple and fast UI, if I need one
> |> at all. It looks like RH is moving from simple & fast to bloated and
> |> Windows-like. Maybe the blame should go on KDE and Gnome, but RH has
> |> chosen to use whatever it is they're using.
> |> Since when do you need X to run a server? Oh, but there are pretty clicky
> |> clicky buttons. Prettyyyy. As far as the desktop install goes, bloat is
> |> evil, and that looks to be the direction they're moving. Don't give me
> |> any of that "well processors are faster now and RAM is cheap so bloat is
> |> ok" because I won't be having any of it.
> |> My biggest gripe - cutting and pasting. I do not want a menu or any
> |> hotkeys just to copy something to the clipboard. If I hilight it, put it
> |> there for me! If I click the right damn mouse button on a window, paste
> |> the text there! No more than one click per copy/paste operation please!
> |> Thank goodness RH is just as cusomizable as ever (since it's still Linux,
> |> after all) because the default installs are ghetto. fnord
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> |> -=<(| mike at boobaz.net |)>=- http://www.boobaz.net/key.html
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> |> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 at 12:10, Cliff wrote:
> |> |After using Slackware since 1996, I just installed RH8.0 yesterday on a
> |> |new hard drive. I've admined Rehat boxes for years so I'm comfortable
> |> |with the switch.
> |> |
> |> |Two things annoyed me (actually three but...). First, Redhat did not
> |> |recognize and load the modules for my SoundBlaster16 ISA PnP card?!!? I
> |> |was quite shocked and thought I had an IRQ conflict for a while until I
> |> |just manually loaded the "sb" module and all was well.
> |> |
> |> |First off, I couldn't boot off the first CD...I have before on this
> |> |computer so I don't know what the problem was there.
> |> |
> |> |Second, it turns out that the sound card "detection" thingy installed in
> |> |stock RH8 only detects PCI sound cards and you have to load up the
> |> |"sndconfig" rpm if you don't want to manually hack modules.conf.
> |> |
> |> |That was my biggest gripe. The broken xmms and lack of Mplayer were my
> |> |other complaints.
> |> |
> |> |Otherwise, having used the system for all of half a day, I'm all right.
> |> | It is very pretty and cleanly organized. I can see that modifying the
> |> |GNOME Menu isn't going to be simple :(
> |> |
> |> |Cliff
> |> |
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