Food Supplements (fwd)
Linda Bobroff
lebn at GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Mon Apr 10 06:31:21 PDT 2000
Marjorie et al.,
I certainly did not mean to imply that only researchers should be on the
list serve ... in fact that really would leave me out because I consider
myself more a nutrition educator than a researcher! And I greatly value
learning from public health nutritionists and others with difference
backgrounds and experiences. I just do not care to be lectured to or "fed"
the party line on "whole" foods, the need for enzymes, supplements, raw
foods etc., and certainly not from someone who is writing from a commercial
site that sells much of the stuff.
Linda Bobroff, Univ of Florida
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu
> [mailto:PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Laura Larsson
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:26 PM
> To: Public Health Nutrition Discussion and Information Group
> Subject: Re: Food Supplements (fwd)
>
>
> Friends:
>
> Follup to a previous message.
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura Larsson
> Health Services, University of Washington
> larsson at u.washington.edu
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> "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and
> write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. " Alvin Toffler
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:28:40 -0500
> From: Marjorie Sawicki <sawickim at SLU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Food Supplements
> To: phnutr-l at u.washington.edu
>
> Linda and others on the listserve:
>
> I don't believe that this listserve needs to be only a research-based
> scholarly forum because I think that you would also like to know what is
> working well in the delivery of public health nutrition services and
> funding sources too.
>
> I don't believe that the listserve should be an audience for
> individuals to get on a soapbox and tout the joys of walking out your door
> in the morning to pluck a piece of kale or chard and espouse the rapture
> experienced. I was in college in the early seventies and I eat whole
> foods, grow my own garden vegetables and herbs without pesitcides and
> fertilizers but you are not going to hear me tell you about it. I don't
> think it benefits the people on the listserve and it would be unfortunate
> to loose the diversity of members that the listserve already has because
> one or two people dominate. Don't run it in the ground.
>
> >From an Illinois dietitian with kale that wintered over in my
> garden but the
> birds are eating it faster than it can grow.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Marjorie Sawicki, MS, RD
> Saint Louis University
>
>
> Linda Bobroff wrote:
>
> > Colleagues and others on the list serve,
> > The messages on this list serve appear to be evolving into
> promotions for
> > commercial products rather than contributing to a
> research-based scholarly
> > forum. I'm disappointed and will probably be deleting my email
> address from
> > the list serve. Perhaps if the discussions continue in this
> vein, all of
> > those who prefer a more research-based approach will leave and the list
> > serve will be left to those who all have just about the same opinion ...
> > that the food supply is basically worthless nutritionally and
> that we all
> > need to take a variety of supplements, herbals, powders, and potions
> > (whether or not they have been shown to be safe and effective).
> I do not
> > agree with this approach but can't really take the time to
> dispute every one
> > of the messages that have promoted the anti-food establishment
> party line.
> > I wish you all the best.
> > Linda Bobroff, Univ of Florida
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu
> > > [mailto:PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Robert Heltman
> > > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:53 AM
> > > To: Public Health Nutrition Discussion and Information Group
> > > Subject: Food Supplements
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Health Firsters:
> > >
> > > There has been some recent posting activity about Food Supplements.
> > >
> > > You experts may want to define the term and break it down
> into more useful
> > > categories.
> > >
> > > For instance, there are organic whole food supplements, like
> Klamath Lake
> > > Blue Green Algae, some barleygreen powders, some wheatgrass
> powders, and
> > > perhaps others. I imagine dehydrated garlic, parsley, etc. would
> > > be in this
> > > category too.
> > > Especially in this arena, there are good a bad processing
> > > methods. The
> > > best use dehydrating methods that do not go above about 104
> degrees, so
> > > enzymes are not destroyed. Some use air drying, some freeze
> drying. Some
> > > bond the powders with maltodextrose or the like to assure
> minimal nutrient
> > > loss, etc.
> > >
> > > There are non-organic whole food supplements, like man made
> ponds with man
> > > selected nutrient fed algae of various types, barleygreen
> from non-organic
> > > farms, etc.
> > >
> > > Then there are partial food supplements like zinc, Vitamin E,
> Vitamin C in
> > > various concentrations, magnesium-calcium-zinc combinations
> and on and on.
> > > Maybe some of the "health bars" with Zone mixes of
> > > proteins-carbohydrates-etc. come in here.
> > >
> > > Some of these are "naturally" derived and some are produced
> > > synthetically.
> > > Arguments abound about the need for associated nutrients to
> make the prime
> > > nutrient function properly and on and on and on. Of course,
> there is the
> > > war between "natural" and "synthetic."
> > >
> > > Then there are powders, syrups, food bars, tablets, and capsules,
> > > and of the
> > > capsules those that do and those that don't use animal
> products in their
> > > manufacture. And arguments about slowly dissolving under the tongue,
> > > tablets being chewed or not, some tablets or capsules
> breaking down or not
> > > breaking down in the GI tract, ad nauseum.
> > >
> > > As I understand it, the "best" supplements are of the organic
> whole food
> > > variety as they provide missing micronutrients not provided
> these days in
> > > the nation's commercial food system, and they do so "in
> balance" which is
> > > another key concept. I hear that taking specific supplements
> can be less
> > > healthy as it causes various "imbalances"...unless a specific need is
> > > determined by a qualified health care practitioner and the
> specific type
> > > supplement is utilized to fill the gap, temporarily it is hoped.
> > >
> > > Then there are colon and artery cleansers, and perhaps other ingested
> > > products for various purposes. Grapefruit pectin is "in"
> lately, to clean
> > > out the arteries. Is it a supplement or not, especially if it is not
> > > essentially absorbed into the blood stream? Hmmmmmm.
> > >
> > > As to the answer to the question "Are supplements good or
> bad?" the answer
> > > clearly is "yes" and "no."
> > > Like people; are they good or bad? Answer: Yup.
> > >
> > > Keep smiling.
> > >
> > > Bests, Bob
> > >
> > > Robert (Bob) F. Heltman
> > > “Presenting New products to mail order catalogs & e-commerce
> > > Internet sites
> > > across the USA and in Canada"
> > > http://www.leadingedgepands.com
> > >
> > >
>
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> Linda and others on the listserve:
> <p> I don't believe that this listserve needs to be only
> a research-based scholarly forum because I think that you would also like
> to know what is working well in the delivery of public health nutrition
> services and funding sources too.
> <p> I don't believe that the listserve should
> be an audience
> for individuals to get on a soapbox and tout the joys of walking out your
> door in the morning to pluck a piece of kale or chard and espouse
> the rapture
> experienced. I was in college in the early seventies and I eat
> whole foods,
> grow my own garden vegetables and herbs without pesitcides and fertilizers
> but you are not going to hear me tell you about it. I don't think
> it benefits
> the people on the listserve and it would be unfortunate to loose
> the diversity
> of members that the listserve already has because one or two
> people dominate.
> Don't run it in the ground.
> <p><i><font color="#006600">From an Illinois dietitian with kale
> that wintered
> over in my garden but the birds are eating it faster than it can
> grow.</font></i>
> <p>Respectfully,
> <p>Marjorie Sawicki, MS, RD
> <br>Saint Louis University
> <br>
> <p>Linda Bobroff wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Colleagues and others on the list serve,
> <br>The messages on this list serve appear to be evolving into promotions
> for
> <br>commercial products rather than contributing to a
> research-based scholarly
> <br>forum. I'm disappointed and will probably be deleting my email
> address from
> <br>the list serve. Perhaps if the discussions continue in
> this vein,
> all of
> <br>those who prefer a more research-based approach will leave and the
> list
> <br>serve will be left to those who all have just about the same opinion
> ...
> <br>that the food supply is basically worthless nutritionally and that
> we all
> <br>need to take a variety of supplements, herbals, powders, and potions
> <br>(whether or not they have been shown to be safe and effective).
> I do not
> <br>agree with this approach but can't really take the time to dispute
> every one
> <br>of the messages that have promoted the anti-food establishment party
> line.
> <br>I wish you all the best.
> <br>Linda Bobroff, Univ of Florida
> <p>> -----Original Message-----
> <br>> From: PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu
> <br>> [<a
> href="mailto:PHNUTR-L-owner at u.washington.edu">mailto:PHNUTR-L-owne
> r at u.washington.edu</a>]On
> Behalf Of Robert Heltman
> <br>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:53 AM
> <br>> To: Public Health Nutrition Discussion and Information Group
> <br>> Subject: Food Supplements
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <br>> Dear Health Firsters:
> <br>>
> <br>> There has been some recent posting activity about Food Supplements.
> <br>>
> <br>> You experts may want to define the term and break it down into more
> useful
> <br>> categories.
> <br>>
> <br>> For instance, there are organic whole food supplements, like Klamath
> Lake
> <br>> Blue Green Algae, some barleygreen powders, some wheatgrass powders,
> and
> <br>> perhaps others. I imagine dehydrated garlic, parsley, etc.
> would
> <br>> be in this
> <br>> category too.
> <br>> Especially in this arena, there
> are good a bad processing
> <br>> methods. The
> <br>> best use dehydrating methods that do not go above about 104 degrees,
> so
> <br>> enzymes are not destroyed. Some use air drying, some freeze
> drying. Some
> <br>> bond the powders with maltodextrose or the like to assure minimal
> nutrient
> <br>> loss, etc.
> <br>>
> <br>> There are non-organic whole food supplements, like man made ponds
> with man
> <br>> selected nutrient fed algae of various types, barleygreen
> from non-organic
> <br>> farms, etc.
> <br>>
> <br>> Then there are partial food supplements like zinc, Vitamin
> E, Vitamin
> C in
> <br>> various concentrations, magnesium-calcium-zinc combinations and on
> and on.
> <br>> Maybe some of the "health bars" with Zone mixes of
> <br>> proteins-carbohydrates-etc. come in here.
> <br>>
> <br>> Some of these are "naturally"
> derived and some are produced
> <br>> synthetically.
> <br>> Arguments abound about the need for associated nutrients to make
> the prime
> <br>> nutrient function properly and on and on and on. Of course,
> there is the
> <br>> war between "natural" and "synthetic."
> <br>>
> <br>> Then there are powders, syrups, food bars, tablets, and capsules,
> <br>> and of the
> <br>> capsules those that do and those that don't use animal products in
> their
> <br>> manufacture. And arguments about slowly dissolving under the
> tongue,
> <br>> tablets being chewed or not, some tablets or capsules breaking down
> or not
> <br>> breaking down in the GI tract, ad nauseum.
> <br>>
> <br>> As I understand it, the "best" supplements are of the organic whole
> food
> <br>> variety as they provide missing micronutrients not provided these
> days in
> <br>> the nation's commercial food system, and they do so "in balance"
> which is
> <br>> another key concept. I hear that taking specific supplements
> can be less
> <br>> healthy as it causes various "imbalances"...unless a specific need
> is
> <br>> determined by a qualified health care practitioner and the specific
> type
> <br>> supplement is utilized to fill the gap, temporarily it is hoped.
> <br>>
> <br>> Then there are colon and artery cleansers, and perhaps
> other ingested
> <br>> products for various purposes. Grapefruit pectin is
> "in" lately,
> to clean
> <br>> out the arteries. Is it a supplement or not, especially if
> it is not
> <br>> essentially absorbed into the blood stream? Hmmmmmm.
> <br>>
> <br>> As to the answer to the question "Are supplements good or bad?" the
> answer
> <br>> clearly is "yes" and "no."
> <br>> Like people; are they good or bad? Answer: Yup.
> <br>>
> <br>> Keep smiling.
> <br>>
> <br>> Bests, Bob
> <br>>
> <br>> Robert (Bob) F. Heltman
> <br>> “Presenting New products to mail order catalogs & e-commerce
> <br>> Internet sites
> <br>> across the USA and in Canada"
> <br>> <a
> href="http://www.leadingedgepands.com">http://www.leadingedgepands.com</a>
> <br>>
> <br>></blockquote>
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>
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